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Hi, I have a Vintage Walther PP 7.65mm pistol that I recently bought and I'm interested in learning more about it. From what I've already been able to obtain from searching this site and looking at the serial number chart this gun should be dated around 1942. I noticed something strange about the gun though in that it doesn't display any of the engraving on the gun slide.
It is virtually unengraved in that it doesn't even have the walther name on it anywhere except on the plastic grips and on one side of the magazine. This struck me as strange because all the ones I've ever seen had something on the slide. I am going to attempt to upload some pics of the gun for inspection. Any information you can give me about this piece will be greatly appreciated. The serial number can be seen on the side of the grip and on the right side of the slide.
There is a mark on the bolt and under the bolt just under the ejection port. These I believe are the same, but I haven't been able to look at them close enough to be sure. I am not able to post pictures right now but will upload them in the morning when I get to my computer. Thanks Ron for your analysis. I really like the gun, it is very tight and has good action. Very very smooth. I've never seen one without any engraving on it at all, so this would certainly explain why.
Jun 19, 2012 - Hi, I have a Vintage Walther PP 7.65mm pistol that I recently bought. At the serial number chart this gun should be dated around 1942. It does, however, date to a period when the German military was taking all Walther PP. WWII Pre-war Walther ppk. In memory of Jack W.
For a gun being made on the way out it sure is a good gun though. Sure the engraved ones are nice, but this one has alot of character. Any other opinions are certainly welcome. I will be posting pics soon of an old Damascus Barrel estate shotgun I bought that I haven't alot of information about. It is German though so it will be interesting to learn more about it.
My sources date that pistol to late 1944, so it was late, but not one of the last wartime pistols. It does, however, date to a period when the German military was taking all Walther PP production so the commercial marking was dropped entirely and only the Walther code 'ac' was stamped on the slide. Even so, the proof marks are commercial, not military, as they would be if the gun was made under a military contract rather than simply bought under a purchase order. Just FWIW, the commercial Walther markings (banner, address-model-caliber) on those small pistols were not stamped or roll stamped, they were etched. The serial number and 'ac' on the OP's pistol were stamped. I quit making even WAGs on values of Nazi-era German pistols.
Every time I give a figure based on what I see at gun shows and on the net, someone informs me (with a pitying tone) that a gun I said was worth $500 is really worth $20 million because it was rumored that it possibly perhaps maybe had been handled at some time by someone related maybe to Hitler's seventh cousin fourteen times removed and when will stupid people like me learn about the real world? I do wonder if the over-the-top guesstimators ever get those fancy figures for their guns.
I was also thinking 500 but like Jim, I now try and stay away from values. On the dates, Marschall lists ac 356450P as the last for 1944, this is why i stated 44/45.
It could also have been made earlier and not stamped and pushed out the door until 1945. Regardless it was one of the last batches made in the final months before before the bell rang. Because it was made at the final destruction of the Third Reich I feel it has historical value. Don't know, but it is part of the last chapter. Perhaps, but the information I have seen does not support the idea that 'most' ac-marked Walthers were assembled post-war by GIs. Mismatched ones might have been but information I have seen indicates that the 'ac' markings began in mid to late 1944, quite a while before U.S. Forces reached the Zella-Mehlis area.
It would appear probable that the change of marking was just another means of speeding production at what would have been a critical time for Germany and, with the military taking all the guns that could be produced, there was no need for the normal and time consuming slide markings. 'ac' said it all with regard to the maker, and there was no need for a caliber marking since the German military pistols were made only in 7.65. The Firearms Forum is on online community for all gun enthusiasts. Join us to discuss firearms of all kinds, gun accessories, legal issues and more. Membership is free and we welcome all types of shooters, whether you're a novice or a pro.
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